Wednesday, May 09, 2007

Reconsidering the Rap Canon.
1. What is the canon?
Just about everything has at least, an unspoken canon, a generally accepted list of “the best”. Literature has an oft-debated and ever-changing canon. Last year, in ‘Film Comment’ screenwriter Paul Schrader wrote about establishing one for film. Religious texts are often marked by canonical texts and in the world of comics and sci-fi, fans often debate what aspects of that fictional universe are canon and which are not: “Is ‘Star Trek: The Animated Series’ canon?” For the record, it should be…

2. The Rap Canon Is Very Restrictive.
Rap has a canon but it’s never addressed, it’s just sort of a given. I am someone with a healthy knowledge of rap but more of an interest in whatever music I happen to like, so I have, many times over invoked the name of a rapper, or an album or an opinion that turns out to be a capitol rap offense. The canon is not so much a canon as it is an anti-canon because the invocation of any number of rappers will bring out the veins in a rap fan’s head and he/she will tell you why what you like is a) bullshit b)not real hip-hop c) ruining real hip-hop or d) all of the above. The worst part is the assumption is if you like say, Three Six Mafia you don’t know about “better” rap or something. I won’t even get into the totally played-out mixed metaphor of the white imperialist entering Africa…but this kind of thinking is unproductive, and only increased since the persistent claims about hip hop’s death and the unfortunate bubbling of another region war.

3. Rap Is Post-Positive.
Rap is inarguably an African American “artform” and as a result, at least according to a lot of smart, fancy-pants African American literature professor types, this means that rap, like all other African-American arts is post-positive. What does that mean? Post in the sense of after or beyond, positive in the sense of absolutism, so beyond-absolutism. In the 19th century, a lot of shit came out like Charles Darwin and evolution and modern science and Nietzsche declaring God dead and blah blah blah…the result was, a whole lot of shit that had been taken for granted for hundreds and hundreds of years looked a little suspect. Super-easy example: Dinosaur bones are discovered but there are no dinosaurs mentioned in the bible. What do we do? It fucks some shit up, fucks some shit up so much we’re still feeling the fallout, for better and worse.

African-American arts are post-positive because by simply existing they oppose established literary traditions and continue to do so. You see…back then, a bunch of scholars and monocle-wearing types would have been discussing not the validity of black art but whether it even existed. Slowly, some black art was accepted and then overtime, a lot more is accepted and now we have rap music. But the loop of idiocy and close-mindedness continues because in the little world of rap, the modern day equivalent of the monocle-wearers are the ones telling rap fans what is acceptable and unacceptable. The rap fans that exclusively celebrate the true schools are oddly enough, the most conservative (with a lower-case c!) of rap fans. They are the closed-minded ones, they are the oppressors telling listeners and writers who and what to support. They are making the canon and the canon they have created, is incredibly myopic.

4. What’s Your Point?
Mainly my point is that any discussion of rap, no matter how apparently retarded, no matter who it is by, is ultimately good. Those discussions are not only necessary but crucial, even the most outrageous of claims (Lil Wayne as the best rapper alive) is not killing hip-hop but keeping it alive. Of course, one has the right to vocally oppose such ideas but when the disagreement is couched in race and accusations of racism rather than music it is disingenuous. This scares and threatens potential writers from writing about the music they care about…why would you do that? Why would you want to stop anybody, no matter how misguided you think they are, from expressing their love for rap?

5. Some Examples of Rap Canon Reconsideration


a. Straight Bangin’s Top 25 Hip-Hop Albums List.

Within hours of posting the request for ‘Top Hip-Hop Albums’ lists it was changed, if one so desired, to simply listing your favorites. It’s funny that what took one blogger a few hours to realize still has not been figured-out by debating scholars, multiculturalists, and conservatives…all we got is our opinions! If there’s some kind of truly objective way to determine the best rap albums, why would we make lists? Give the criteria to some scientists and give them every rap album ever made and let them calculate it.

How does one become objective on the topic or really, any topic? I see why Public Enemy are important but their records just don’t hit me anymore. When I was in 10th grade, I listened to ‘It Takes A Nation’ constantly, I got into a minor scuffle with a black kid who made fun of me for listening to “old stuff”. At the time, I made fun of him for listening to DMX and smugly put my headphones back on. These days I’m probably more apt to listen to DMX than P.E. Who was wrong? Both of us? Neither of us? It doesn’t really matter.

b. Byron Crawford & Tupac: ‘Why Do Hip-Hop Bloggers Hate 2pac?

The fact that Tupac sort of sucks is that dirty little secret that has always been unspoken but with time, can be said without facing a beatdown. Tupac is inconsistent, boring, insincere, and disingenuous. He was quantifiably rebellious, the kind of rebellion that woons too dumb to enjoy Wu Tang went for. Once Tupac died, these guys gravitated towards Eminem who kept the ball rolling on sub-par emcees with light production that through contrived controversy, enrapture dumb rap fans as well as ‘New York Times’ writers. Byron Crawford’s entry put into words what so many other rap fans have taken for granted: Tupac isn’t that good.

But is Tupac “important”? Yes. His celebrity, his murder, his level of fame while alive and his continued sales after death preserve him in the rap canon forever. I don’t mean this condescendingly but I know it will come out that way so fuck it: Tupac is a good place to start with rap. At least around me, I primarily see young people, black and white, but all middle-school age, wearing Tupac shirts. So, he remains a part of the canon no matter what and can therefore, afford to take a few shots from bloggers (no pun intended, I promise!). Tupac’s visibility isn’t going anywhere so only healthy discussion can come out of critical derision.

c. Tom Breihan & Nas: ‘Pitbull Is Better Than Nas’

Besides the obviously pejorative nature of this title the real point was a slight re-evaluation of Nas’s work. I smiled when I saw the title and thought about it and at least then (and now) I’d agree that I’d rather listen to Pitbull than Nas. Breihan, as a pop critic which because rap music is pop music (and always has been) gives him a different but equally relevant point of view on the music, is allowed to tell his readers Pitbull is better than Nas. Plus, it’s true in the pop music appeal sense because Nas has become really boring. Like Tupac, Nas is something of an institution, so his placement in rap history is solidified and as a result, it would only do Nas’ “legacy” some good to be reevaluated.

Particularly fun were the responses to this post which quickly dismissed Pitbull as only booty-shaking music. This dismissive argument reflects the same kind of thing that outsiders to rap might say about Nas because all they hear is a scary beat and the word “nigga”, their ears closed to the subtleties of rap. Try telling Cuban-Americans that Pitbull is only booty-shaking music. Calling your album ‘El Mariel’ is a political act. Pitbull also did the wonderful thing of calling-out rappers for wearing the image of Che Guevara, who if you’re Pitbull, Che is a murderer. The dismissal of Pitbull as booty-shaking music goes much deeper than musical opinions, it moves into the realm of politics and the pro-American politics just don’t jibe with most Nas fans. Pitbull and Nas while dissimilar in their politics are similar in the propagandistic aspects of their lyrics. Neither offer particularly insightful opinions on politics, rather they both preach to their audience the kind of politics the audience wants to hear. This is what a little statement like ‘Pitbull is Better than Nas’ begins to unpack when it isn’t dismissed outright.

d. Noz and Others' Continued Focus on Rap Obscurities.

This constant reminding of listeners of that which they have forgotten or never knew existed is canon reconsideration defined. The popular and even intellectual authors of one period often become the nobodies of the next and the nobodies of the period can later become the greats. Trends, expectations, ideas, styles change and what looked weird or stupid in 1991 can suddenly become more relevant decades later.

6. Conclusion.
You know, there was a point where barely any rap was taken seriously and then there was a point where it became an interesting phenomenon, and then it became socially relevant, and then it became the biggest music on the planet. It is everybody’s music and it needs to be allowed to be discussed as such. The best way to do this is by allowing challenges to the rap canon, not dismissing them outright, but taking them into account. They should not be threatening to read. They should be exciting. The music that is canonical will stay canonical, it will not begin to wither away due to the eroding winds of writings about trap-rap or crunk or Pit Bull.

Any sense of absolute truth, any sense of the definite, ended over one hundred years ago, high and low and all between is pretty much one now. If it weren’t, us rap nerds obsessively analyzing and intellectualizing the music wouldn’t be allowed to do it, we’d still be like “Man the concerto last night was pretty good”. But we don’t have to do that! Instead I can write about Devin the Dude, or I can write about Devin and classical music, I could even write about how I think Devin’s music is sort of like classical music! What a wonderful world we now live in!

27 comments:

eauhellzgnaw said...

I see your point, but I strongly disagree.

To the uninitiated (and/or the lazy), the hostility toward Breihan-style rap criticism appears to be nothing more than the grumblings of bitter, old, nostalgic boombap heads angry because someone who isn't one of them is daring to defy the canon. The approach you cultivate here suggests that any criticism of rap canon-bashing is an extension of the kneejerk “How dare you say Pitbull is better than Nas”/ “Lil Wayne isn’t fit to carry Jay Z’s chancletas” responses.

I can’t tell you how many conversations I’ve had with rap heads in which we add newer artists (I favor Brewin) or shit on “the golden era’s” well-respected artists (I always hated Greg Nice; the Beastie Boys can’t rap; I still don’t get Too Short and E40; Eminem’s music has always sucked; the Freestyle Fellowship cats had some good stuff, but they could also be horrible; Endtroducing is one of the most overrated records I’ve ever heard; Kool Keith’s post-Ultramag career is based solely on the fact that white critics love black rappers who don costumes and alter egos (Madlib and Doom took note)).

This is part of what makes being a music fan so fun.

<<“Breihan, as a pop critic which because rap music is pop music (and always has been) gives him a different but equally relevant point of view on the music”>>

That’s the thing: His perspective is not equally relevant (or valid). It’s not because he treats rap as pop music. Hell, everything that’s not classical (or jazz) is pop music from most perspectives. That doesn’t bother me one bit. And just to get it out of the way—the following are also NOT reasons I dislike his rap criticism:

A. his whiteness
B. his supposed hipsterdom
C. that he prefers Southern rap and “thug” rap to “conscious” rap.

How about he can’t distinguish between Timbaland and Dre as rappers?

Or that he praises Devin’s lyrical ability, but doesn’t afford him enough respect (or maybe isn’t familiar enough with rap conventions) to recognize the obvious metaphor in one of his latest songs?

<<“any discussion of rap, no matter how apparently retarded, no matter who it is by, is ultimately good”>>

No, it’s not (see: the mainstream media, Stanley Crouch and the same fucking rap article he’s been writing since I was a child, the “rap vs. hip hop” or East vs. West/South nonsense; the rapper crime/gossip/pro wrestling headlines).

Breihan is not daring to defy the rigid rap canon carved out by the annoying KRS ONEs of the world; he doesn't even know “the canon.” He has a patronizing view of the genre and its artists.

But the larger problem is that he’s empowered by Pitchfork and Village Voice, institutions that respect rap even less than he does. And yes, part of the reason they empower him is because he’s white.

It’s never good when people who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about have greater access to platforms from which to spread nonsense. And it’s even worse when white privilege (and token negroism) is involved.

south african rap fan said...

wow. this is the most insightful comment i've read in a minute. i have always been suspicious of this revered postmodernist epoch we find ourselves stuck in. it leads the way for the breihans of this world to unload pseudo-contraversial, counter-intuitive, laissez-faire bullshit on our heads. and all of it does nothing but undermine our art, culture, lives, struggles etc. all in the name of there 'being no divine truth.'

breihan is white, and so was the school of the modernists from which you (No Trivia)draw the pivotal part of your arguement.

fact: black people are still living like shit. we need our art to fully reconcile ourselves with the fractured environments that exist within us as well as out.

peace to euhellzgnaw.

Monique R said...

Eauhellzgenaw- I was following your ideas and points up until the last paragraph. All of the people you mentioned do, in fact, have a pretty good idea of what they are talking about. How is your statement that they don't know anything any different than breihan not knowing the acknowledging the difference between Timbaland and Dr. Dre? The problem here is that your comment is not as much a comment as it is a rant on your own terms...which is fine...and sort of great...but at the same time...I dont see how you are strongly disagreeing with a response that is more of a rant.
I think I see what you are saying about Breihan...although, I think his point is that he judges everything in a sort of fresh way...not really considering the canon or whether or not one genre is better than the other. But I think we (including breihan), especially here, KNOW that rap music isn't exactly pop music even if Breihan doesn't always make that clear.(and lets be honest...its a good look for an internet writer looking to do something more). And regardless of whether or not breihan got the jobs with pitchfork and village voice because he is white...is sort of irrelevant. I think he's a good enough writer to be doing what he is doing...nobody who said everything they wanted to say ever ended up with a job...so I'd say...give breihan the benefit of the doubt.
And South African Rap Fan...I'm sorry...your comment is inconclusive...I have no idea what you are trying to say.

brandon said...

eauhellzgnaw-
Thanks for the comments, seriously, it's good to disagree civilly, which seems nigh-impossible for most people on the internet.

At the same time, Monique sort of said what I also want to say. Just...Breihan is a good and passionate writer and that to me is more important than any rap faux-pas he may have committed.

brandon said...

south african rap-
alright...since I try to make my posts entertaining as well as (hopefully) insightful I try not to get too deep into intellectual shit, but here we go...

Yes, those I mentioned are white dudes, but they started it because of their place in society at the time, a place that unfortunately, no black person could have been at the time. Of course, there were still black artists/poets/etc questioning the canon before and as this stuff was happening...

Phyllis Wheatley's 'On Being Brought From Africa to America' is arguably the first deconstructionist poem, books discuss it this way, professors read it this way...

The Black Arts movement of the 1960s is post-modern, and post-positive and all that shit...a poem like 'Nigga can you kill?' or a book like Baraka's 'Blues People' could not have happened and thrived without those white guys you so harshly dismissed...

Yes, you're write SAR, post-modernism does lead us into some crazy roads some of them bullshit but I'd hope you see why that is good because, you basically missed the point of my entry...your complaints, comments, etc. reflect those of old-ass white conservatives more than a guy whose s/n is 'South African Rap'...

>>fact: black people are still living like shit. we need our art to fully reconcile ourselves with the fractured environments that exist within us as well as out.>>

Fact: poor white people, poor latinos, poor arabs are still living like shit.

Extra fact: art that "fully reconcile[s] [itself] with the fractured environment" is called RAP MUSIC. It's already here dude.

eauhellzgnaw said...

I apologize for not being as clear as I should have been.

I don’t think that his whiteness is the ONLY reason he’s writing for those publications. Despite my “rants” against him, I think that Breihan is a talented and perceptive writer and absolutely "deserves" to be a music critic.

However, I don’t think he brings his talents to bear when he writes about rap. And his ill-informed revisionism combined with his “look at me, I’m an iconoclast” gimmick is disrespectful. And he shows a remarkable lack of insight to the music (even the stuff he loves) and condescension toward the artists and the form.

Village Voice and Pitchfork require critics to have an indie rock-as-default music stance in the same way that Rolling Stone and the other major mags required a “classic” rock as default stance; but they also require a certain kind of critical distance that is almost never found is black critics, and I think privileging that kind of voice/distance has a lot to do with white privilege.

But yeah, Noz, for instance, would also never be allowed to write for The Village Voice or Pitchfork.

Beezer B said...

I think you're sort of right that all discussion is good. The problem being that "our" discussion is an ongoing one, we're about 20 years deep into published/documented Hiphop discussion and we're just adding on.
Outsider critics often write with a tone of "lets start the discussion" rather than that of "I'll join the discussion".
It's fine to say you can't distinguish between the rapping of Timbaland and Dre but it also lets me know that you never heard "Real Niggaz" or at least you didn't "hear" it. Once I know that then I can add the correct amount of salt when reading you, on rap, in the future.
Everyone's viewpoint is valid but they don't necessarily hav emuch to offer me.

Someone whose rap world goes Fugees-big gap-Kanye-Dipset or something isn't going to bowl me over with a new artist the same as someone whose previous reads Kool G-Ren-Nas-Biggie-Aceyalone-Kast-Doom-Ghost-Devin. Knowing that you share ground with a critic is important. That they prescribe to the canon isn't, I agree on that but if they don't share a certain ground with you personally its unlikely their conclusions are gonna marry with or anticipate yours.

Or is your point that people like that challenge us? cos we've BEEN challenged. All the time for ever. I think a lot of it is exactly the same sniffy derision Hiphop has always got from the rock press. They still do the same thing of praising one or two artists just so they can use them to bash the rest. De La, PE, Kanye etc.

south african rap fan said...

i understand i might have been misunderstood. however, in a way, i'm glad i was. i know nothing about your blog nor you. so were i to go on the premise that you are black, i would say that your ideas on postmodernism illuminate (i am generalizing very broadly, but please bear with me) a disparity between african american and south african attitudes, i was till now very ignorant of. you speak of black arts being geared forward by white writers - i understand this completely. however, as conservative as i may sound, i am of the impression that the type of black arts that benefited from this are those which arose out of conflict (given the history of black and white interaction). i would go as far as to say this can be seen here too by writers whose literary modus operandi is the queen's tongue (colonization-apartheid). there have been numerous texts which segue or deal solely on the struggle that exists bewteen these writers' mother tongues and the english language. however my suspicions of postmodernism arise out me viewing it as european counter-exploration of modernism which was a counter-exploration of fundamentalism/imperialsim etc. what i mean is that the packed discourse of the language (even when it is in conflict within itself al la deconstruction)is still imposed like a foreign cage where i am from. its self-concious/reflexive exploration of the tricks of english discourse extpand the cage, but it remains a cage no less. they are a far cry from the noise emitted when mother tongues scrape against foreign ones. the latter not being lingusitic play but rather a violent conflict inside someone who has to adopt two opposing cultures simultaneously. while this might sound like fundamentalist rhetoric, it isn't. given the ever-rising hegemony of the english language, and the fact that language is the cornerstone of our oral culture, it seems blatantly clear that if we view postmodernism as a salvation, what's to follow is a genocide on our culture. as the dichotomies have fallen, opposition is now seen as absent, when in actual fact it is merely invisible.

your reference of 'On Being Brought From Africa to America' is something i'm not too sure about. i have no knowlegde of the poem, but the way institutions and proffessors read things is never absolute. even their analytical tools of assessing literature are those derived from european academia.

i heard the first truly decontructionist work was finnegan's wake by james joyce and he was fully concious of what he was doing.

you said: poor white people, poor latinos, poor arabs are still living like shit.

while this may be true (and i do not disregard anybody's suffering) our situations are markedly different.

and: art that "fully reconcile[s] [itself] with the fractured environment" is called RAP MUSIC. It's already here dude.

that's what i thought. i know rap can and does do this: but will it be able to reach that deeply after being trivialized by the cynicism of postmodernism?

i understand that this is mostly off point, but i want to know your views on this.

noz said...

rap is not pop if you call it that then stop.

brandon said...

SAR-
Thanks for the response back and I am happy to know you are interested in my opinions...

I would begin by saying, that my referring to rap as "inarguably an African American artform" would curtail some of your misconceptions. It's fine and maybe, as you said, good that you misinterpreted but well, you did so a lot of what you said is kinda of irrelevant to what I was writing about.

But you know, you being glad you misinterepreted what I said because it led to this discussion is well, pretty damn postmodern...

So... yes indeed, the difference between African American and South African (or even just African) is great. I do not understand how post-modernism can be a counter to modernism and therefore, imperial/colonialism yet you still oppose it. I see why it is oppressive but I do not feel as though that oppression is any different from the oppression placed upon everybody by earlier trends. Pretty much everything is oppressive.

Also, to connect deconstruction only with English when it is, primarily the development of French writers (who also know a thing or two about imperialism) is a bit strange.

Also, you mention Joyce and 'Finnegan's Wake' as deconstructionist and you would be right but I say, it only proves my point. One of Joyce's focus was the mistreatment of the Irish (who the British also essentially colonized), so even then, white man or not, post-mod/deconstruction was being used to oppose oppression.

Again, I doubt you intended to do it but you've proving my point by condescending to the exact people you should probably support. To imply that Phyllis Wheatley wasn't aware of what she was doing (whether she would have called it deconstruction or not) is a bit offensive to the first African American poet...

Google the poem. You will, like I, undoubtedly be disturbed by her sentiments (she's happy she was taken to America for it allowed her to be a Christian) but she does a wonderful act of deconstruction supporting/praising Christianity without ever acknowledging or approving of her enslavement.

Yes, I know Christianity is European and therefore, part of the problem, but that does not detract from Wheatley's deconstructionist balancing act...

The point is, if I mentioned a British novel of the same era that looks forward to post-modernism, say Sterne's 'Tristram Shandy' you would probably not question its intent....

>>...but the way institutions and proffessors read things is never absolute. even their analytical tools of assessing literature are those derived from european academia.>>

Yeah, that's my point! How things are analyzed does change, I don't know the exact date, but I imagine 30 or more years ago Wheatley's poem was read as pro-Christian, pro-slavery etc etc, then people read it from a more sympathetic and modern perspective and said WAITAMINUTE!! THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS SAYING AT ALL!

And yes, those modes are "Derived from European academia" but I've asked this to many before, what are the other modes? That is, what modes of South African academia are being developed that aren't entirely reactionary to the European model? What modes of reading/interpretation from, say, the South African academics aren't entirely contingent upon the existence of previous, (what they see as) outdated modes?

I think it is a bit of cop-out to suggest that long-held ways to read a text, some of which dated way before European civilization are dismissed as European in nature. When a South Africa or Canadian or Australian or Cambodian scholar thinks of something as mind-blowing as deconstruction, then I'll go "okay, fair enough" but until then, I don't see the literary/intellectual trends created as being exclusively or only developed by Europeans. I think anybody could have "created" post-modernism not only white dudes...

I also must oppose your conventional but in my opinion incorrect, view of Post-Modernism as "cynical". It certainly can be cynical and is used by many to deny the importance, value of anything, but it, as my connections to rap and the black arts suggested, is wonderfully open-minded, allowing for the discussion we're having, allowing for Kool G Rap and Nelly and everyone in between and allowing for a previously-read poem about the status quo to be opened-up, no, exploded into a deconstructionist poem...

thanks,
brandon

noz said...

btw, i think a lot of people have misinterpreted what i do as canonical deconstructionism. when it's actually about disseminating the local canon into the national. i don't want anyone to throw away illmatic in favor of illegal business, i think they can coexist comfortably. there are very few rap records that i write about that aren't already considered classics to someone. it's why i'm so frustrated with the idea of "random rap." no rap exists in a vacuum, it's community music and most truly great hip hop music at least had an impact on it's block. just maybe not on your block.

if "holy war" was so random why would ghostface be compelled to pay tribute to it?

the main problem i have with much of the hipster rap contingent (and honestly, Breihan is far from the worst of his ilk) is that they do the opposite. everything's about what's hot, what's immediate. and they strip the work of years of context. dudes are like "oh z-ro's really good right now," and have never heard a damn guerilla maab record. this approach is fine if you're a fifteen year old rap fan, but i like my music writers to have some knowledge or failing that they should at least do the research. especially in a genre as self referential as hip hop. tom's work suffers because he doesn't know that "4 kings" is a cover of "havin' thangs."

sometimes i feel like a lot of this postmodern "there is no canon, only taste" talk is really just an argument in favor laziness. or worse the “look at me, I’m an iconoclast” approach that eauh brings up.

brandon said...

Noz-
I hope that in my brief discussion of you, I got your perspective down. As in, my point was what you said, here's this more obscure under-discussed stuff which should/would/could COMPLEMENT, say 'Illmatic'. If my language wasn't clear I may go back and fix it.

As for iconoclasm, while I too find it annoying/obnoxious, its sort of, what makes the world go 'round. Prickish writers like myself or other much more popular than I, over-extending ourselves and saying some bullshit and occasionally hitting on something interesting is pretty much how writing/criticism works in every other area of the world.

At the same time...I would agree with your laziness statement and your comments on Breihan but for me, I sort of enjoy reading really informed writers AND writers that just have an opinion. Oddly enough, not you Noz, but many other highly informed writers are canon-followers, who gives 'Hip Hop Is Dead' great reviews because they like 'Illmatic' and stuff like that...

At the same, same time, as a person who does this primarily for fun, I still take it a bit serious and worry about coming off as a poseur or an uninformed jerkoff. My rap knowledge has a lot of holes which I generally avoid or admit to (maybe Breihan should do the same?). At the same time...isn't there something even more disingenuous about digging, as you said, the last Z-Ro record and then before writing about it, quickly digesting his (really huge) back catalog?

I think a writer that did that would be even more full of shit.

Should this critic not write about Z-Ro? Again, I'd take enthusiasm mixed with some misinformation over no writing at all.

I'm always looking for content and often consider writing reviews but I get too scared to do it unless its something I know a lot of about. So, basically, I'd be writing about rappers I already like, not breaking any new ground for me as a listener/blogger-person or for my few possibly interested "readers".

If I looked at Tuesday's rap releases and wanted to review them I really couldn't often out of fear of being called out for not totally knowing my shit...Out of May 8th's releases the ones I'm loosely interested in...

-New Bone Thugs: I've heard all of Bone Thugs' releases and Their first 2 I really, really like and the rest I could do without. I know enough about them to write but I wouldn't bring much to the table...

-Dipset: More Than Music: Just giving this a good review (if it's good which I doubt) is enough to be laughed-at in most rap circles.

-Phat Kat: I'm a Dilla fan so I've heard this guy a lot but I'm basically disinterested/not informed about him. I'd have to go through all of his stuff because if I only discussed him on Dilla and Slum Village stuff some Detroit rap fans would call me out. It wouldn't be enough if I happened to really like the album.

-DJ Jazzy Jeff: Because there's so much history with Jazzy Jeff, I'd inevitably get some of it wrong, again, not worth being called-out for...

-Z-Ro: His album came out Tuesday, right? This would be ideal, I've heard a decent amount of his material although not all and what I've heard is pretty random. I really like him and I can bet on a few people reading this who maybe don't know about him. Everybody wins...

But they don't because again, I don't know enough about Z-Ro to give a totally informed opinion. So basically, I should just review the Bone Thugs because I really know their career.

Who does that help? Everyone knows Bone Thugs, even Rolling Stone will probably review this so my review wouldn't really be interesting...

noz said...

well i'm not saying you have to know an artists entire catalog, but to be unfamiliar with their major works or influences is definitely a determent. and with the internet it's so easy to learn about this shit. especially if it's your job do so.

Anonymous said...

One thing to take into account, however, hip-hop is exceedingly self-referential. It does not make sense in many cases to treat hip-hop works separately. In other words, you cannot address hip-hop works on their own when their are intentionally in conversation with other works.

you can't discuss common's like

"my daughter found nemo i found the new primo"

without knowing who dj premier is

Or to take an even more obvious example, a discussion of last emperor - secret wars is kinda pointless if one does not have familiarity with popular comic book super heroes or late 1990s popular rappers.

Obviously, someone can enjoy common's song without understanding this line and they can discuss the music, but it's not as helpful as someone who is more knowledgeable about the music

The complaint is, then, that in the mediums with the most media power, i.e. pitchfork, the new york times, etc..., the reviews exhibit strange selection bias as to what gets reviewed and often make extrapolations about the music which is incorrect.

The people who review hip-hop in these outlets are perceived to not be able engage the music on the level that it deserves by many serious hip-hop consumers.

To make a silly analogy, is it useful to read an essay on Hamlet by a forth grader?

On the flip side of course, not everyone wants to read a commentary on Hamlet that is needlessly complex so in this sense you are correct in that the dialogue about hip-hop should not be limited to the elite few that have an encyclopedic knowledge of all things hip-hop. Which I take your argument to be.

That still doesn't mean we can call ignorance iconoclasm and we can still have engaging conversation about hip-hop without resorting to such.

As a final point, iconoclasm or negative engagement with the hidden hip-hop cannon is not the only way to progress in hip-hop debate. In the best cases, it can be productive, but it can also be destructive. Another tendency that is worrying about the aforementioned media outlets is that it prioritizes the new over the old in a dangerous manner. Rather, as noz points out, there is no reason not to expand the cannon to include the new alongside the old. Instead, the outcome is that, say, in the face of Jeezy, the wu-tang is irrelevant. This is, despite the clear space for discussion that emerges in regards to subject matter and etc...

brandon said...

Anonymous-
Thank you for the interesting thoughts, I feel bad only focusing upon the parts I disagree with but the rest of it, while I see your point, I've addressed in the entry and many previous times in other entries...

First point, suggesting that Pitchfork has the same influence as NYT for example is absurd. That is another weird aspect of all of this Breihan and company conflict, those guys don't mean anything to most people. The rap cultural gatekeepers are still pretty much towing the rap party line...

Second, I am not being facetious, but I would LOVE to read an essay on 'Hamlet' by a 4th grader. I teach 11th graders, I'm reading essays by them on 'Heart of Darkness' right now...

The insights that people who are not conventionally informed about a topic can be both very interesting and very informative. One can learn a lot from someone who isn't indoctrinated into opinions they are "supposed" to have.

Monique R. said...

I really don't think that Tom's work suffers because he doesn't know that "4 kings" is a cover of "havin' thangs". Being insightful is what actually matters...and while knowing this information is interesting...I don't really need a blog to tell me about it...I can research it myself. I think I'd much rather read a blog that contains real ideas about the subject being discussed than one that is "showing me new things" and/or "introducing me to context". I'd actually say that these "informational" blogs are much "lazier" than blogs that contain ideas even if this is coupled with wrong information/context.
And this is not to say that Tom's writing doesn't suffer in other ways (for me, I'm not sure about for others)...there are times that I am completely disinterested in what he is using for content or an entry doesn't keep my interest and consequently seems long... But overall, I think he does a pretty good job of integrating a "rolling stone" type critic tone with true ideas.
Basically, a blog that contains both new ideas and a sense of context is ideal. But, for me, the first requirement is ideas.

VEe said...

Hey Brandon I read your post and got the message quickly. I also enjoy listening to the "uninformed" views of younger people.
It does not matter if they do not appreciate the lyrical dexterity of Nas, Rakim, Black Thought, etc. If a kid likes Jeezy, Wayne, etc. that is who they like! And they can passionately discuss their views and tell you why Jay-Z is washed up or dismiss Nas as irrelevant.
Their views are equally valid. Why? Because that is simply how they think and feel at the time. And eventually they will come of age and become the cultural gatekeepers, guess what . . . they can then begin to wax poetic about how real and true to the art form Jeezy was.
No analytical intellectual dissertation linking their taste in music to the collective oppressed African experience is going to change their views. It is truly just music to them.
Who knows, I might be missing the point, but I’m not going to tell some one that they are wrong, don’t know hip-hop or misinformed if they feel Pitbull is better than Nas. I won’t lose sleep over the statement nor the insightful explanation. Note, if Laffy-Taffy came out around the time of the UTFO-Roxanne Roxanne, or Salt-N-Pepa’s Push-It there would be no one would question whether it was real hip-hop or not.

OK, do you remember Damon Wayans’ Living Color character, the intellectual locked up criminal?
Here you go . . . (take straight from the comments section) . . .
You see, postmodernism illuminate is the counter-exploration of modernism which was a counter-exploration of fundamentalism/imperialism, al la deconstruction, ergo the self-concious/reflexive exploration of the tricks of english discourse, while it might sound like fundamentalist rhetoric it is in fact the hegemony of the english language that makes postmodernism a salvation. That’s exactly why post-modernism can be a counter to modernism and therefore, imperial/colonialism or shall I say colonialist?!? Explaining why my words explodes into a deconstructionist poem. In conclusion, pretty much everything is oppressive.

I’m not trying to poke fun or be a jerkoff but . . . the verbiage is killing me.

brandon said...

Hmm...yeah, I was waiting for someone to make fun of the fancy-pants, smart-guy talk going on here...I thought it would've been Noz to do it...

I just went where the conversation was going. I don't really have fun having such douche-y conversations because all the stuff about it is really obvious...but sometimes you gotta go there...but that's why its in the comments section, more like footnotes to the entry

Vee said...

You know what I'm saying. :-)

A word ending with 'ism followed a four syllable 'tion should not be followed by two more multi-syllable 'isms.

Unfortunately some of us, do not have graduate degrees, master degrees, doctorates or PHD's. They don't allow that kind of wordiness in the NYTimes, Wall Street Journal or even the New Yorker.

Aside from all of my nonsense, good post Brandon. But seriously Davey-D has an article discussing a time when certain LA acts were not considered hip-hop by NY MCs and purist. The east coast mcs would go on later to embrace N.W.A as something real, authentic and of course street. Fast-forward 2007, and some guys are talking about bringing back that real (read: NY)hip-hop.

Peep Davey-D:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=15116190&blogID=257175793&MyToken=5e956e7f-3af1-46db-a754-7a9eb6d63cb3

noz said...

you can't formulate good ideas without good information. I don't know why you guys are acting like it's so controversial to suggest that someone who writes about music for a living should extend their research beyond a press release and the enclosed cd.

the opposing mentality is a terrible look for music journalism and is a huge part of the reason nobody takes bloggers seriously. it's their sense of entitlement disguised as democracy.

brandon said...

vee-
I know you're just messing around but seriously, the only thing worse than intellectualism is anti-intellectualism. I was going to throw the word "pedantic" before "intellectualism" but I wouldn't want to be flouting my education or something....maybe Masters or Phds talk in -isms and -ions, but my Undergraduate English education didn't fuck with theory stuff too much. I read that on my own, there are places called libraries and bookstores and it's not nonsense.

Yeah, the Times doesn't talk like that (thank god) but it has a place, skip over it if you don't like it....

Noz-
It isn't controversial at all, it's how most people think, that was the point of my post/this discussion. I'm disagreeing with how most people think about something.

I go back to what I said before, how much research does one need to do? Isn't researching and quickly gaining a pseudo-working knowledge of something sort of fake?

One does not need any kind of information beyond the product they are reviewing. Music goes in their ear, they have thoughts, they express them.

Certainly knowing a great deal can help but especially when the reviews aren't dismissive but encouraging and/or enthusiastic AND yes, insightful, I'll take that.

Since you reference Z-Ro, Breihan's post from like November about it was the most interesting thing i've read about the rapper. No other review dealt with the like serious, emotional aspects of his music. I'll take that over connect-the-rap-regional-dots most days...

Vee said...

When Chronic 2001 first came out I remember many of the reviews that I read discussed and compared it to Dr. Dre's The Chronic. There's was talk about what it was not as opposed to the actual work. Since the Chronic was a huge CD I guess that is understood, it was the point of reference.

Unfortunately many CD reviews are formulaic in that sense and can get boring or miss the mark. Most people simply care if the music got that bump.

I don't have a problem with some one else sense of entitlement, they still have a voice, a unique viewpoint. Whether or not you choose to tune in is strictly up to the listener, thanks to the internet. I prefer most bloggers content over many major hip hop publications.

noz said...

i try to look at hip hop as something larger/more complex than just a bunch of unrelated recordings and i expect good journalism to do the same.

and it's not about running to google or rapidshare for "research" twenty minutes before writing a review, it's about taking an active interest in knowing your shit. it's about being a fucking hip hop head first and a grad school critical thinker second.

but i think we're at an impasse here.

brandon said...

noz-
Perhaps we are at an impasse but fuck it-

If Breihan and others' discussions of Z-Ro or anybody else is "grad school critical thinking" I've been horribly misled as to the intellectual prowess of grad. students...

That's my point too. What Breihan and a lot of others do is discuss the actual music, in fairly obvious terms/thoughts...thoughts that stand-out primarily because most rap-bloggers don't say much at all because they are either a)total towers of the party line with nothing to say or b)too cool to take the ACTUAL music, how it affects them seriously...what it is doing, and how it may make one feel.

The historians often don't get the content right and the "critical thinkers" are often short on facts...the best reconcile the two. Noz you do that often, probably my favorite piece of blog writing is your article on Gnarls Barkley...

I just think however, that your point is moving towards only those "qualified" should write about it. Okay then, fair enough, not a controversial view but one that really would limit who and how people write...

Is a hip-hop head primarily an espouser of facts and trivia? Where's the passion in that?

There's also an obnoxious amount of anti-intellectualism going on in recent comments. If you don't like my pseuded-out smarty-pants post-mod comments aimed at S.A.R don't fucking read them, you smell me?

Again, I'm not forcing my few readers to read a post about such "nonsense". I keep it in the comments for the most part. Even in my "grad school" comments I try to throw in a few jokes and some modesty as to never take myself too seriously.

And again, there's my point...it's my fault for being a self-concious faggot but the next time I think to get serious/smart or want to write about an artists I'm not super-familar with I'll think twice. I think that sort of sucks.

Sean said...

Late to the party here, but I just wanted to address one of eauhellzgnaw's comments: "Village Voice and Pitchfork require critics to have an indie rock-as-default music stance in the same way that Rolling Stone and the other major mags required a 'classic' rock as default stance." I can say with certainty when I was hired to write for Pitchfork there was no "indie rock-as-default" assumption, nor have I ever owned such a tenuous ideology. No reason to start fighting Tom's battles now, but the wild and reckless assertions about how certain writers come to music, their jobs or conclusions is mostly bunk and nonsensical idea-gerrymandering. also, it's waste of time.

brandon said...

sean-
Thanks for the comments and yes, I would have to agree...this post wasn't only about Breihan either, it's odd that only he is getting called-out here. Byron Crawford, who had admitted he primarily listens to indie rock is never called-out, not that he should be but you know...

Furthermore, as a reader of stuff like Pitchfork and the Voice, they have always focused on rap often not very well but in the past few years, the proliferation of a group of very smart writers has given them a much better focus on rap writing. AND everyone still complains?

I've known Breihan's name since I spotted his 3-6 Mafia and Geto Boys reviews in the City Paper in like 2004...people like to act like these writers chose to write about rap a year ago and now run internet rap-writing or something...

eauhellzgnaw said...

"wild"..."reckless"..."gerrymandering"

....hmmm, interesting.

i didn't expect you to agree. it's obvious from you all's reviews. the fact that you can't see it (or refuse to admit it) is meaningless.