Thursday, August 14, 2008

Asher Roth Is A Problem

Asher Roth’s a goofy white rapper with a passable flow, who’s sort of clever, but has gained a lot of his “fame” courting outdated notions what hip-hop is and isn’t, and really harping on his “suburban” roots. Dude’s apparently been praised by Andre 3000, Jay-Z, and Akon, he’s been signed by Steve Rifkind, and he’s in the ‘Show & Prove’ section of this month’s XXL saying bullshit like this: “I’m representing the 80 percent of kids who actually buy these rap albums but, really, can’t relate”. Maybe that title should read “Asher Roth Is Problematic”.

Although he has originals, for now, Roth’s gaining his fame rapping over big, giant, pop-rap beats while eschewing the grotesque message and materialism of those songs in his rhymes. The idea’s hardly innovative and unknown rappers rapping over other people’s hits always seems kinda cheap, but Roth’s raps over “A Milli” or “Roc Boys” seem downright vampiric. Every rhyme reminds listeners of his suburban roots, his whiteness, and the gross materialism of most hip-hoppers, as if any of these ideas—that most rappers like money or that a white kid can rap—are a surprise in 2008. It’s as deep as aged dumbasses who joke about how the world’s changed because “the best golfer’s black and the best rapper’s white.”

In raps and interviews, Roth pushes the very square, rockist sense that rap is all self-serious (something always stated by fans of actually self-serious groups like U2 or Pink Floyd). As the quote from XXL would suggest, Roth either believes or feels okay exploiting the myth that white kids are buying all the hip-hop CDs, pushing it so far as to suggest that the rap he and his fellow whiteboys buy is something they can’t “relate” to or understand, as if understanding is that superficial.

In his video for "Roth Boys" however, Roth invokes the nerd appeal of Fatlip’s “What’s Up Fatlip” video and the current background to his MySpace has to be a homage to Devin the Dude’s first album. Given the superficial connections between Roth’s music and Fatlip or Devin’s, would it be safe to assume the dude’s heard them and relates?

One can see what Roth means when he suggests rap’s not the music he and his friends can relate to, but that’s more a testament to Roth’s categorical thinking than some inherent flaw in hip-hop. However, Roth’s entire persona is based on these although-popular, very incorrect notions of what rap and race are and are allowed to be. Only a non-rap fan would see even the dumbest hip-hop as exclusively guns, money, and hoes. Rap is a genre based around saying one thing and meaning another or saying one thing and meaning many other things; you'd think a guy who has decided to rap would know this.

It’s never explicitly said—because if it was, he wouldn’t even be afforded the minor fame he has right now—but Roth’s rapping is not an alternative to mainstream hip-hop or capitalistic corpo-rap, but an alternative to blackness. It’s not entirely clear if Roth even realizes this (probably because he’s not thinking as hard as he thinks he is), but his contempt for most rappers mixed with statements about how he’s the kind of guy buying the music—again, and therefore not black people—sound contemptuous.

His version of “A Milli” contains ‘Intro to Peace Studies’ aphorisms like “self-centered humans are the root of all evil” and a constant reminder that the money made should go to “charity” and not to gold because “sick kids need it more than I need a necklace”. It’s a contempt that occasionally stumbles into the geopolitical landscape when he invokes gas prices or something, but it’s always superficial and nowhere near as pointed as his comments to necklace-buying hip-hoppers. It’s easy for a kid from “the ‘burbs” to have such an altruistic and ideal view of how to distribute wealth, but it conveys a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why people conspicuously consume. If Roth’s comments were more intelligent and not you know, aimed only at black rappers, he’d be some kind of no-nonsense, un-PC political rapper but their muddled nature and again, how much his own whiteness pervades his raps, makes his “A Milli” sound more like the rants of an aging Dixiecrat or something.

His cloying whiteness also meets a certain, too-calculated savvy about blackness that feels just weird. Roth’s always qualifying his comments, or wisely invoking the burbs instead of whiteness when it might make him come off as offensive. Additionally, he never directly says anything negative about black people—its always rappers. In the video for his “Roc Boys” remake, “Roth Boys”, he’s seen in an Obama shirt—which although sincere, should rub any thinking viewer the wrong way—and moving through a frat party with a respectable amount of black dudes attending. Arguably, the presence of black dudes at the party is just a stab at realism but again, there’s some sense that this white rapper’s noticed how uncool other white rappers look when black dudes aren’t nodding their head in the background. For all of his Roth's rap-rants about not being like those self-obsessed rappers, his every action feels calculated. In a kind of reverse "real"-ness that is Roth's gimmick, his MySpace lists him the uber-burbs-sounding town of Morrisville, PA and not Atlanta, GA, where he was discovered and you know, one of the best places to go right now if you want to be a big-time rapper.

The most confusing part of Roth however, is is almost obsessive focus on whiteness. The key problematic line in “Roth Boys” is, “this is the same thing that happened on ‘Renegade”, a rap-nerd reference to Eminem’s debatable murking of Jay-Z on his own track. Roth however, has re-contextualized the line to not being about how one legendary rapper beat-out another legendary rapper on his own track, but as somehow being about a white rapper killing a black rapper on his own track, which has never been the rap-nerd debate about “Renegade”.

Inevitable comparisons to Eminem work because Roth’s a high-pitched white nerd who’s vaguely self-deprecating, but also because like Eminem, Roth constantly reminds listeners of his whiteness and implicitly, his difference (and alternative-ness) to most hip-hop. But Eminem’s use of his whiteness came from a desire to prove himself in spite of the unfortunate reputation of white rappers that came before him, not some strange sense of privilege because he’s the person actually buying rap CDs.

46 comments:

Passion of the Weiss said...

Really interesting and smart essay, Brandon. Your last two posts have been lights out.

Jesus Shuttlesworth said...

agreed about the Roth Boys video. even though it has a cameo from other rappers (I think Lupe?), there's just something about his sprinkling in of black guys mixed with the Solo cups of the 'burbs that makes me a bit queasy.

if his verses in his version of "a milli" had the same goofy energy as wayne's off the cuff nonsense instead of feeling "focused" i might like him more.

but, the fact that a rapper from my area is gaining any sort of fame nowadays is blowing my mind. i'm sure noz can name 8 more guys like him.

Anonymous said...

You know, it would be interesting to include comparisons to the original king of the burbz, John Brown, in this discussion. Basically Asher without that black/white thing... Eve nRoth Boys uses basically the same premise as Keg Party ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDJ1OR5k34 ). Make a follow up post (or at least a comment reply) analyzing this and make me happy, cause I'm too lazy to do it myself.

Jordan said...

When I first saw that Roth Boys video, I thought it was a one-off joke, as in "ha ha, it's a goofy white kid rapping over a Jay-Z beat!" Him being an actual rapper people give a shit about still puzzles me. The weird thing is that although I'm in that bullshit "80%" it's actually harder for me to relate to Roth and his whiteness-fetishizing ways than any of my favorite rappers who I have less in common with superficially.

k_orr said...

Perfect. Better than I could have said myself.

But is it just me, or did he come out of nowhere? Who's his press person, cause they're on their hustle.

brandon said...

Weiss-
Thanks!

Anonymous-
I just watched 'Keg Party'. The video's sort of well-done and funny--or rather, I can see why others would find it funny--but the song's awful. STILL, it's way less cloying than Roth's bit. There's no class or race stuff being misread here which is good. My main thought though was, do I want to like any rappers who go to keg parties or really, host them? One can imagine like Pharcyde shuffling into a keg party for awhile, drinking some beer, and leaving in an hour...

Jordan-
This essay was crazy long initially, so I cut it down, but the thing I mostly removed was a mini-lesson on the myth of whites buying the most rap. Author Bakari Kitwana's 'Why White Kids Love Hip-Hop' does a great job defrauding that hoax. It has to do with things like--in addition to the economic realities of most black people--malls being in areas considered "white" very often, so black purchases there are being categorized as "white" Etc etc. This shit is probably changing or the info harder to fib because of decreased sales, internet, etc.

k_orr-
Again, something I cut out, but really- where did this kid come from? Proof that Tall Isreaelis really are running this rap shit?

JK said...

Really well written and in depth. I like some of the guys stuff but I don't like it when race is used to promote an artist.

Vee (Scratch) said...

" it's actually harder for me to relate to Roth and his whiteness-fetishizing ways than any of my favorite rappers who I have less in common with superficially. "

Jordan, I can understand that, there are many rappers I have a lot in common with superficially but I really can not relate. Then I realize that most of their public persona is fake, with the exception of rappers like Slim Thug, they're usually incredible short, lightweight guys trying their best to display and prove their street credibility.

What I do think is that people will project their own personal prejudices on his image. When I first saw him, I thought, oh goofy keg party rap. He has some skills. Oh, Akon is in the video. Then I found out he was really rapping. I expect just about every interviewer* to ask him at least one Eminem question or white question. It is what it is.
However I did notice the jabs at "rappers" but really ignored it. De La Soul, the aforementioned Andre 3000 and many others take shots at rappers' gross materialism amongst other things. And I have a feel for who their talking about.

Interesting post Brandon. *The media and Roth will continue the song and dance and carefully word their questions and answers. At the end of the day, he's an O.K. emcee. In todays hip hop climate, he will definitely flourish. Oh yeah, the whole crap about who's buying rap CDs is bonkers. I'm surprised he makes a point to state that often. The whole "relate" thing is ignorant. Russell Simmons realized that hardcore metal heads kids were going to relate to hardcore rap (P.E. & Onyx) easily, you just had to market the music to angry teens.

Vee (Scratch) said...

" it's actually harder for me to relate to Roth and his whiteness-fetishizing ways than any of my favorite rappers who I have less in common with superficially. "

Jordan, I can understand that, there are many rappers I have a lot in common with superficially but I really can not relate. Then I realize that most of their public persona is fake, with the exception of rappers like Slim Thug, they're usually incredible short, lightweight guys trying their best to display and prove their street credibility.

What I do think is that people will project their own personal prejudices on his image. When I first saw him, I thought, oh goofy keg party rap. He has some skills. Oh, Akon is in the video. Then I found out he was really rapping. I expect just about every interviewer* to ask him at least one Eminem question or white question. It is what it is.
However I did notice the jabs at "rappers" but really ignored it. De La Soul, the aforementioned Andre 3000 and many others take shots at rappers' gross materialism amongst other things. And I have a feel for who their talking about.

Interesting post Brandon. *The media and Roth will continue the song and dance and carefully word their questions and answers. At the end of the day, he's an O.K. emcee. In todays hip hop climate, he will definitely flourish. Oh yeah, the whole crap about who's buying rap CDs is bonkers. I'm surprised he makes a point to state that often. The whole "relate" thing is ignorant. Russell Simmons realized that hardcore metal heads kids were going to relate to hardcore rap (P.E. & Onyx) easily, you just had to market the music to angry teens.

Jordan said...

Quote from his myspace "funny thing is, I'm not even a rapper." Superiority complex, or self deprecation? Either way I don't like it.

Advice said...

Looks like you got a little caught up in your own dislike for Asher Roth and failed to deliver an intelligent argument against him.

Your wording is great, but taking a closer look at what you're really talking about, you really didn't say much.

Don't take my message the wrong way, I'm not attacking you and I'm not defending Asher Roth. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback to improve your blog.

For intelligent argument, try being unbias so you can view all the pros and cons with neutral vision and then discuss the topic. Your post is not a valid argument, it's a rant.

Remember, clever wording and rhetoric do not equal intelligent conversation.

Best of luck.

brandon said...

Vee-
I think Roth's grossly misread De La, Andre, etc. lines about materialistic rappers. Even at their worst, they often have a core empathy and understanding for the dudes they shit on, while Roth seems to have this liberal arts college contempt. His line in one of the songs about buying a bike reeks of the indoctrination one gets at lily-white liberal arts school. Roth suffers from "knowingness".

Additionally, there's just something off and odd about his approach. It really is anger at black people for acting this way. It's Chris Rock's unfortunate "black people and niggas" bit if it landed in some wealthy, Democratic suburb.

Advice-
When I join my community debate team and am not writing on my personal blog that people come to--for one reason or another--read my stupid opinions, I'll take your "advice". My blog's doing fine the way it is.

Advice said...

I'm simply trying to offer some friendly advice to you buddy.

Knowing how to accept constructive criticism, especially when it's coming from someone who was actually trying to reach out in a friendly manner, is a crucial part of success in any field.

Unfortunately, it looks like you choose to take a different route and be a member of the "know it all" flock.

But your right: your blog, your perogative.



P.S. I just check your blog's stats. Not really what I would consider "doing fine".

brandon said...

Who the fuck is this guy?
Your advice would be great if I had an interest in being "objective" or was trying to appeal to anything resembling a wide audience. Truth be told, I wouldn't even know how to check my blog's "stats" and I don't really care, dude. Provide your "constructive criticism" somewhere else, "buddy".

Advice said...

Lol. The rants of angry, diluted teenager. Your replies are more entertaining than your blog.

"Who is this guy?"

This is the internet Buddy. Everything is public and people do find out about things.

I only found out about your blog because someone credible posted a link to it. Unfortunately, I don't think he realized he gave you the most exposure you've ever gotten on this site.

Good luck Buddy. You'll need it.

Jordan said...

I'm not sure whether this or
this describes advice better.

Brendan said...

Don't worry Brandon, I got U.

Advice- You say that you are offering constructive criticism, yet you offer nothing constructive at all. You give no examples of how Brandon "failed to deliver an intelligent argument against him." Brandon offered constructued several points that logically devolved from his premise about Roth's raps. It is an intelligent argument, but if you feel is not you can take your ass elsewhere.
Instead it is clear through your multiple postings that you have an agenda against Brandon and this blog and feel the need to insert yourself in your interests. You criticize Brandon for being part of the "know it all crowd", yet your criticize of him, and your assertion that his stats reflect poorly upon his blog place you firmly at the head of the crowd which you are criticizing. Much like Aster Roth.
Perhaps you are Roth or someone close to him, for you make the comment, which is generally unrelated to anything else you or Brandon has said that "This is the internet Buddy. Everything is public and people do find out about things." Sounds like someone got upset about a little bit of constructive criticism from Brandon.
Further proof of your similarities to Roth lie in your last comment that "I only found out about your blog because someone credible posted a link to it. Unfortunately, I don't think he realized he gave you the most exposure you've ever gotten on this site."
This statement seems to infer that you believe your mighty presence within this comment section has given Brandon the most exposure he has ever seen. Well, that is quite elitist, and presumptuous, isn't it? Just like Roth.

Brendan said...

Oh, and when you decide to come back and post a response, since I'm sure your pathetic ass is justing sittin on the computer waiting for the email confirmation that someone has responded to you, while don't you show some fuckin heart and leave a name or a link or something to some of the great work you have written so that the rest of us peons can have something to take notes on. Motherfucker

quan said...

Great post. I've been trying to figure out why this Asher Roth kid rubbed me the wrong way. Your post expresses it more or less. Son's fake as ever.

And geez, I hope Advice is Roth's PR and not some random kid from the Internet. Or else this blog is gonna turn into Okayplayer or something.

Advice (Must be over 15 to understand) said...

Lol. Looks like you got your friends to try and help out. That's clever, but you really took my inital post WAY out of hand.

A simple post to offer some constructive criticism and you and your friends go nuts. I can only imagine the childish tantrums your parents and teachers must endure.

You don't even know who I am, why do you and your friends care to put so much time into attacking me? That's pretty childish and ignorant.

Anyways, I spent enough time helping you get more attention and hits on your blogspot here. I'll leave this as is and allow you and your friends to continue to bicker and bitch while I head on over to OkayPlayer and enjoy some grown folks company.

padraig said...

"advice" is just a troll. ignore him and he'll go away.

otherwise, brandon, thought provoking as always. i hadn't even heard of this dude before but it's an interesting take. just to compare him to my impression of John Brown from the White Rapper Show - for sure, JB came off obnoxious as hell, like a smug liberal arts dude on some like meta-meta tip. but, shit, he was so up front about his falseness, ya know, even if he's a shite rapper. this dude Roth, is he like really earnest? I get that he's supposed to be "self-deprecating" but it sounds like the kind of forced sincerity that is goes hand in hand with false humility and boring, trite music. y'know, like that thing where pop is actually the "most" political when it doesn't have a set political/social agenda. anyway, whatever.

I'm sure you're busy, but is there any chance of hitting us with some vintage Armond White goodness anytime soon?

brandon said...

Padraig-
Yeah, I should've ignored "advice", I figured he'd shut up once I told him I didn't need tips on how to run my blog.

You nailed Roth. As far I can tell, it's a forced "i'm this outsider rapping, it's so crazy" bit and its painful. I'm not sure what you mean about White...just linking one of his articles? His 'Tropic Thunder' review was interesting, so I might throw it on a links party entry this weekend. I missed last week because I was moving. I might save it though because I might do a whole post on 'Tropic Thunder' and Downey...

tray said...

I was kind of favorably disposed towards Asher Roth because we Ashers have to stick together (yeah, that's my first name), but after that withering review, I don't plan on checking his stuff out.

tray said...

Although, I think it's possible for a white guy to be derisive of black people who spend an inordinate percentage of their income on jewelry and rims without coming off like an aging Dixiecrat.

brandon said...

tray-
I'd half-agree. It's possible for a white guy to be derisive of ANYBODY for spending money they "shouldn't" or whatever, but it gets problematic when the focus is only on black people's conspicuous consumption. It's additionally problematic because Roth won't go-out and actually say that's what he's doing even though it is. Roth's dumb, so his perception of race and class is really simple and it's why he ends up saying stuff about "rappers" the way he does.

tray said...

Well... a couple things. One, is it problematic simply because he's white? Say Mr. Roth had written "All Falls Down" - which as you'll recall, is specifically about a "single black female, addicted to retail" - word for word. I'm sure he's not capable of anything half so good, but suppose. Would the mere fact that the song's coming out of a white guy's mouth make the song offensive? I'm not sure myself, it's just a question. Two, I don't see why he has to be confined to blanket condemnations of conspicuous consumption, or why he has to call out white people who conspicuously consume if he's going to call out rappers. There are differences between, say, me spending summer job money on a $130 Burberry striped polo when there's probably one that looks just like it at the Gap or wherever for $30, a black guy my age who spends half of his disposable income on sneakers, and Usher doing an episode of MTV Cribs and showing off his ten or however many cars (and singing about his Maybach in the middle of a "my girlfriend's turned frigid on me" song, but anyway). In my case, I should probably spend my money more wisely but I'm still going to go to a good law school and be alright. In the case of Sneakerboy, his consumption might actually be holding him back from anteing up for community college or eventually having the wherewithal to own a house. In Usher's case, he's probably not harming himself at all, but his example is actually inspiring some of the people who watch him on TV to, yes, waste their money. So I can understand why Roth might only bash rappers, because their consumption is a particular problem that's very different from others' consumption.

brandon said...

tray-
The only problem with your statement is that you're going on the assumption that all blacks are poor and all whites are not. I know it's not exactly what you mean, but it would have the same odd effect if and when a rapper shat on poor whites for spending all their money on cigarettes and beer. I think that when one goes outside of the conventional expectation of how to critique race, it's smart to alter, qualify, or extend that critique.

The assumption that crime or economics or anything is fundamentally racial is problematic and wrong and stems from the same altering and manipulation of "facts" that has people saying "most rap CDs are bought by white kids in the suburbs..."

Kinda related: I was talking to someone about this comic book 'Kick Ass' which is about a teenager who decides to become a superhero. In it, he is always fighting Puerto Ricans and blacks. It's weird. Now, maybe that's the economic reality of crime in the area where this character lives--although it actually isn't, that's the comic's problem but let's assume it is--because it's a piece of art, and it's saying something, it would be wise to toss in some crack-eyed white dude or something because otherwise it's weird and distracting and causes all kinds of problems. "Reality" of crime or not.

The main point however remains that Roth is going after rappers AND defining himself and his white-ness as very different from other rappers when in fact the differences are only superficial.

Trey Stone said...

don't think you were arguing otherwise brandon, but of course there's a substantial economic divide between whites/Asians and blacks/Latinos in this country (not to sound like i'm oversimplifying with the racial groupings, just trying to get to my point.) crime and economics aren't "fundamentally racial" cuz obviously not all blacks/whites fall under a certain category, but i think tray's point makes sense in that there're cultural and economic differences that affect how people perceive these things. with white people, well maybe some dudes my age take the whole "bitches ain't shit" deal a little too seriously but at the end of the day rap's entertainment. me, i relate to the personalities of my favorite rappers, but obviously they're not influencing me to think drug dealing is cool or that i have to have the nicest cars, chains, whatever.

with blacks and Latinos in certain urban communities, where you've got worse education, lower income and more single parent households, i think a definite argument can be made that kids are looking up to some of these rappers as an influence in a way that whites both of the poor redneck or rich suburban variety aren't. of course it's difficult for me to completely say as one of said suburban kids (well OK, family's not rich but i'm pretty well-off) who has next to zero direct "hood" experience, but i've heard that argued before from people who'd be knowledgeable about it firsthand and i think it makes sense.

also, most rap CDs are bought by white kids yeah? i dunno what the percentage is now though. of course it doesn't really the 80% figure makes it sound waaaay more demographically skewed than it is considering the percentage of whites in this country compared to blacks.

anyway good post, i haven't checked this guy but he definitely sounds like exactly the kind of emcee i wouldn't like

joeybanx said...

I like Asher still tho. He just seems like he's chilllin. It's cool that you broke him down and everything, but i feel like you could take any of the supposed "top ten" emcees and target unfavorable points that you could use to rip them apart.

brandon said...

Trey-
Yeah, we're all basically saying the same thing, just...I think its really problematic to fall back on race/crime statistics because they're misleading and just cause problems. I also don't like them because racists use them and pass it off as "being realistic" or whatever. But yeah, we all know the economic realities for certain races that don't apply to other races.

As for Tray's point, maybe I misread it to some extent, but he was basically suggesting "a black guy in the same position as me" should not spend money on a nice Polo, and I'd say, if he's in Tray's position he should.

As for the rap CDs and whites...I'd encourage everyone to read Kitwana's book. But the basic point is yeah, statistically "80 percent" of rap's bought by whites but lots of tihngs play into that. A) Economics- whites generally have more money to spend on CDs B) Bootleg/Mixtape market that's significantly more assessible to blacks C) More places where CDs are sold are in "white" areas and therefore, would be marked up as "white" purchases.

joeybanx-
I think it's not enough to suggest Roth's "just chillin" because his music's pretty political. It's not smart or wisely political, but dude's trying. All the attention to whiteness compounded with political asides or stuff like "this is for my people who can't afford pampers" makes his music at least seem to be serious. He's not MC Paul Barman or something, he's trying to say serious shit.

Indeed many MCs could be dissected like Asher and they have been.

Dart Adams said...

@ Brandon:

Yet another great post. I would add something but I honestly haven't paid much attention to Asher Roth after listening to his mixtape once. I'll look into him now after reading this.

@ Advice:

Let me offer you two words of advice in regards to your "constructive criticism". Fuck off. That is all.

Dart Adams, Ravager Of Wor(l)ds

One.

Jordan said...

Another possibly unimportant thing, is it just me, or is dude trying really hard to project an image of bland Waspy preppy frat-boy country club whiteness while having the most Jewish name in the world? "L'Chaim/ that's more like it/but what do I know/ I'm just white kid" sounds especially coy or facetious. On the Dey Know freestyle he says "I don't believe in Jesus" but then sidesteps the issue with a Christianity/Islam comparison. I think he's got another line about learning yiddish that's just tossed in somewhere randomly.

Now it's possible that he isn't really Jewish and just happens to randomly have a really jewish name and like referencing learning yiddish. But if this isn't the case, why does he constantly directly play up his whiteness, while only sort of acknowledging his jewishness?

nahnigga said...

He's a walking gimmick and it's too obvious. But past that, the message he tries to convey is like a beating around the bush mindset. It's hidden racism (unintentional or not) to make the comments he does about "rappers" in the fashion he does considering you can replace "rappers" with "black people" and the effects of the words would change so dramatically. Some of the ways people view most black people are the same as the way they view rappers. Rapping has already created a stereotype of what black people are anyway...... fuck Asher.

J said...

Since white people make up about 80% of the population of the US, it kinda stands to reason that they'd be buying about 80% of the rap albums.

Sordid Puppy said...

lol @ "big, giant"...go read a book

Anonymous said...

yea this guy must really be whack especially since he ripped any rapper jay-z challenged him to battle

you're a retard said...

wow, this post makes it very clear that you know absolutley nothing about rap music. go educate yourself on whats been going on in rap for the last few weeks and then come back and write something.

Jessica Turner said...

The reason "people" give a shit about this rapper is because........... "THE PEOPLE" that buy these albums are 80% white. HA. Just another 21st century black panther preaching to his choir about how the white man is trying to steal his thunder. You "people" don't control anything, and you never will. Get used to it.

brandon said...

Wow, remember when this was an interesting discussion? Asher Roth fans or Asher Roth people are going hard on the meta-data.

Sick Boy said...

This guy’s contempt towards black people is so unfettered and overt that it actually disgusts me that mainstream media has accepted him so graciously. It disgusts me that there has been more controversy over the explicit lyrics of real rap records in popular culture than there has been over what is quite obviously a purpose-seeking, insecure, middle-class brat, raised in the typically hermetic and pleasant environment of the suburbs, having a pissing contest with black people (having learned about them through the rap records that he and his white friends ,actually buy) to make up for his selfish and ignorant resentment of where he landed in the genetic lottery.

The discussion here over how his talk about “rappers” seems strangely interchangeable with “black people” is on the mark. In the suburbs, where I too grew up, this constitutes most white kids' knowledge of black people, whom they fear, resent, but live vicariously through. This guy comes like a true son of a baby boomer: “You can be anything you want, son.” Not so.

Sam said...

Really nice post. You did a great job articulating and explaining exactly why I felt like I had a low-grade tarnish on my soul after listening to this kid's music.

Anonymous said...

To 'Jessica' if we don't 'own' anything as you say then WHY do you assholes always have to come AFTER we did and rip it off?!! Asher Roth is an egotistical putzbag who thinks stuff isn't 'important' enough because 'he' can't relate well who gives a SHIT whiny bitch?!! Now you know how people of color feel when we watch 90 percent of movies and tv shows so as long as piassants like him are 'running' things it's all good?! BULLSHIT! As for consumerism that doesn't have JACK to do with rap but people trying too damn hard to live beyond their means which is their OWN fault not some rappers.

Anonymous said...

Just a small issue with your article. The line about Renegade is likely an allusion to the diss song "Ether" by Nas, in which Nas tells Jay, "Eminem murdered you on your on shit." I don't think this line was racial, but rather a rebuttal to Jay-Z's line in "Takeover," that Nas had the worst verse on "Oochie Wally."

Anonymous said...

you guys should check out white rapper Jehst... the song elevate is dope and he uses a line to make a statement about "conspicuous consumerism" on both sides of the fence.." i wanna chill in the sky/ but all this business talkin is killin my high/ all these suits and ties with their lonely lives/ with their over sized pockets and their trophy wives/ and all the ghetto millionaires/ who just buy ice to wear outside on the stairs/ we got some twisted values / we don't care about good news only bad news"...

Raquel said...

Very insightful essay.

I go to a predominately white, upper class university, where I am sure many of the students can 'relate' to Asher Roth. While I am annoyed that someone who wears their white privilege on their sleeve is allowed this inkling of fame, I can honestly see his point about white suburbia being able to relate to his music. Albeit, I think what makes rap music so cool for many of these kids is that it represents (at least gangster, mainstream rap) a reality that is far different from their own. I think very often they are sold this perception of Black cool, which they associate with anyone that is Black (particularly Black men), and buying music by Black rappers ( just like inviting Black guys to a frat party) is a justification of their own cool.

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