Monday, September 22, 2008

Rap's Post-Lyrical Phase Pt. II: How We Got Here.

The focus on Kanye West and Lil Wayne as "post-lyrical" rappers and for the sake of simplification, the post-lyrical rappers, is due to both their popularity and favorable critical reception. They also transcend or just don't fuck around with a lot of the cliches of rap (although they're slowly building a whole new group of cliches for future rappers) and so, the moral quandaries about crime glorification and all that mostly doesn't apply to either of these guys, while say, a discussion about Young Jeezy (certainly post-lyrical) would be hard to go into without sort of discussing that stuff.

Yes, Wayne might fall into the "crack rap" category but his work, especially as of the past few years, seems less interested in it and drug dealing's only invoked as some fucked-up foggy memory from his teens or a violent/drug-dealing threat/boast is now used to exemplify his strength and power as a rapper. Like Chuck D. saying his "uzi weighs a ton" or something, it's a boast about skills transferred onto well-worn rap cliches.

Kanye of course, has never dealt with raps about drugs and violence and has wisely balanced a persona based on his lack of experience/familiarity with "the life" with a persona that doesn't remind listeners every few minutes that he indeed, does not rap about those things. This doesn't make these guys "better" than rappers following the "Nas formula"--indeed, Wayne falls back on gun talk when he feels like it and Kanye's got plenty of clothes and shoe references to keep him afloat--it just makes them different.

Their basic eschewing of violence and/or relative refusal to fall back on well-worn rap cliches is something of a return to the "Native Tongues" stuff. The main focus for Kanye and Wayne is fun and an all-encompassing need to stand-out. Sure, it doesn't have the hyper-explicit politics of the Tongues who indeed, wanted to stand out in part, to oppose (what we now call) "gangsta rap" but part of critical and popular embrace of my post-lyrical posterboys is that they bring a rarified and individual voice back to hyper-corporatized hip-hop. Whether you like them or not, Kanye and Wayne are very strange and very unpredictable pop stars.

In the first part of this, Noz asked me how De La Soul didn't engage in the same kind of "weirdo wordplay" that I connected to the post-lyricists or to my super-obvious examples of Kool Keith and Grand Puba. The short answer is, De La Soul do engage in that kind of wordplay (and do it better). The slightly longer answer is, De La Soul are total fucking geniuses and completely transcend whatever era or trend or whatever me or any other dopey rap pseudo-scholar sticks them in. The long answer is, De La Soul do the weirdo wordplay game, but they do it within the frame of conventional, metered, rhyming raps. They are technically proficient, lyrically smart, and purposefully sloppy as well. De La Soul's wordplay still fits within the expected understanding of "rap" and "rapping" while Kanye and Wayne don't always do that and it seems, their fans and detractors sometimes have a hard time defining what exactly these guys do on the mic.

This is interesting because when both of them started out, Kanye and Wayne were fairly conventional rappers. Like most trends or slowly-gestating almost-trends, the guys that best exemplify or represent the trend are to some extent, bandwagon jumpers. While snobs and nostalgics will completely dismiss the rapping on The College Dropout and Late Registration as not very good--arguing about technical ability is a waste of time and a task that will never result in full agreement-- there's undoubtedly a significant shift in Kanye's rapping on the first two albums when compared to Graduation. His flow is significantly slowed-down (something I think, he swiped from post-retirement Jay-Z, which makes this whole thing way more complicated) and his focus went from funny punchlines and rap references to near-nonsense word-association. Example: "They got the CD, then got to see me/Drops gems [pronounced like "Gym"] like/I dropped out of P.E".

Lil Wayne has always been a very good rapper, even when he was like, fourteen. The critic-created story arc of his rapping career was developed by a bunch of dudes that never heard anything he did before Tha Carter and made jokes about CASH-MONEY, but retroactively bought all those CDs for 6 bucks used and pretend like they've been bumping Tha G-Code since 1999. Wayne has always been something of a throwback--or was before his mixtape blitz which radically changed his style--and even in the Hot Boys, he was doing the Nas formula by way of his more immediate Southern influences, while Juvenile (a very good rapper too) is strictly or mostly "Southern". Wayne's "mixtape" flow on the other hand, grew increasingly odd and experimental and strayed ever further from the "Nas formula".

The medium of the mixtape allowed Wayne a place to do whatever he wanted and the availability of these mixtapes, coupled with the hyper-immediacy of the internet allowed direct, non-corporate/non-audience-tested feedback about these "songs". Listening to the Wayne of "Georgia Bush" now sounds quantifiable when compared to the Wayne of the stuff on Drought 3 or Carter 3 (or at least, the weirder parts of Carter 3). Example: "They cannot see [Nazi] me/Like Hitler".

There's also a lot more conventional melody in Kanye's songs and more than enough singing and crooning in much of Wayne's work. This too, has always been a part of their work, Dropout in particular, succeeded beyond being a weird, "conscious" rap album (which is what it is) because Kanye's melodies were all sung and performed by him and we, the listeners could carry a tune just as well. The sing-song feel of the album made it relate-able and memorable. Wayne's flow has always been more melodic and bouncy. Undoubtedly, this is the result of being a Southern rapper and in Southern rap, conventional musicality is much more pervasive. In that sense, Wayne and Kanye are just bringing to the forefront a key part of their success because they now are famous enough that we'll even eat up their auto-tune experiments and also because, popular music is way more ready for auto-tune experiments.

Which brings us to the next reason for post-lyricism: the changed pop music climate. The example that's often referenced--and again, the one that every dumb Popular Music Prof will be using in thirty years--is Timbaland, particularly the baby sample in Aaliyah's "Are You That Somebody". In Timbaland and that beat in particular, so many of the trends that now pervade pop, R & B, and rap can be traced: weird merging of experimentalism with straight-forward dance music, electronics over instrumentation and/or sampling, the Southern rap takeover, a weird Futuristic aesthetic, etc. The "Nas formula" just doesn't work as well over top of skittering synths and rave-ready drums (look no further than "Hero" by Nas as proof) and so, as the sound of the music-makers changed, so did the raps put over that music. That's not to say auto-tune warbling or half-rhyming raps sound all that good over electronic beats either, but it makes a lot more sense.

Additionally, there's more music in the beats of Timbaland, the Neptunes, etc. Once again, this has a lot to do with the South's musical influence on rap. The open spaces in the beats fit the open space of the South's landscape, the South's rich musical history coupled with a more laid-back, relative lack of New York hustle and bustle, encourages the playing and mastering of musical instruments, and the importance of the church and church music in Southern communities makes so much of the black Southern population keenly aware of musicality. Singing and melody made their way into the raps and rhymes and slowly, through guys like Timbaland (and many, many, many others that will get lost in the shuffle that simplifies music history for textbooks), this all wormed its way into the pop landscape. Rapping tightly constructed rhymes (with or without nonsense style wordplay) and then getting a crew of dudes to shout a hook just doesn't work over the sounds constructed by the new guard of rap producers.

28 comments:

Jordan said...

Nice post. I feel like Pimp C, Cee-Lo and Andre are very important in this history, in addition to the guys you name. Still, I'm not quite sure what the goal of post-lyricism is. Purposefully cheesy/ridiculous punchlines? Unconventional use of cadence and meter to draw more attention to what you're saying? Goofiness for the sake of goofiness? And have the post-lyricist rendered lyricists/lyricism anachronistic?

Ryland Walker Knight said...

I, too, wait for words on those dudes Jordan mentions. But the thing I want to say is this: only Timbaland does Timbaland beats with any modicum of success and only The Neptunes do Neptunes beats (if they still do Neptunes beats). A radio was on near me a week ago and there was this shrill siren kinda thing and then some gravel-voiced hustler trying to ride a rhythm that wasn't there; I wanted to punch my own ears so I couldn't hear a thing. Then my friend said, "Timbaland kinda, well, he kinda ruined music. Listen to this shit!" Also, I'm largely ignorant of most current music outside dance music (and my interest in that is pushing backwards, too, as the blog-house demi-monde gets more and more and more grating and less groovy), so maybe there's something besides that yelling beat or, on the other side, (the weird idiot savant label given) Wayne that's worth a shit these days in rap. Oh, right, OutKast are still making records, right? God, 1999 was dope. Am I rully that guy? Guess so.

Ryland Walker Knight said...

Oh, and, I'd say post-lyricism is definitely about play. About shucking form. Which is what makes De La so cool: they did a lot of it within the form. Similar argument, to switch into my normal register (film), as that of, say, Rivette's praise of Preminger and his "network of relationships" or whatever that "auteur theory" mess wrought. (Simple: A lot of "minor" dudes getting notice for working in Hollywood and still developing an artistic personality.) --This might make Wu-Tang an analog of Sam Fuller, and not wu xia epics, really, which is cool, but similarly problematic b/c all the comparisons my brain's cooking are between black rappers and white directors, which betrays so many assumptions is ridiculous, hilarious, stupid. ...uh...

How about that? Too out there? Too off topic?

brandon said...

Ryland-
Eh, nothing's off topic. I need the director/rapper comparisons some more time to marinate before I can respond in full, but I have this old-ish entry

Some Movies Rappers Should Reference Instead of Scarface that has some 70s movies and what I see as their rap album analogues.

Zilla Rocca said...

I'm ECSTATIC that you brought up Timbaland and the change in hip hop production.

Of all the "De La/Nas" formula guys from the 90s, only a handful (Busta, Jay, Common) have opened up their flows and morphed their cadences to latch onto beats with more swing, open pockets, slower tempos, weird sound effects, etc.

The Common on "Resurrection" was a straight ahead, "Nas Model" champion with a few De La moments sprinkled in the mix. The Common we heard on "Like Water for Chocolate" fit the "Slum Village Model" whereas lyrical lyrics take a beat seat to cadence, stop/starting, weird inflections, ignorant yet jazzy bars, picking one instrument in the beat and riding that one sound, etc. This is why Common can last 8 albums and stay relevant whereas no one wants to hear a guy like Raekwon unless it's a Wu or Ghost album.

I think overall, hip hop has just become more refined in a pop sense, listeners unknowingly have become more sophisticated, and the Nas Model hasn't caught up, hence the success of Wayne/Kanye/Jeezy. Put on a Pete Rock beat from '92 on for a 15 year old and he's born to tears--a 4/4, 2 bar jazz loop at 90 BPM isn't as exciting and fresh as Just Blaze's guitar rock, crashing cymbals, 4 count kick drum loop, synth hits for the hook, etc.

The Nas Model eschews the beat--it's rapping for the sake of rapping, regardless if the beat is 3/4 time or at 105 BPM. It's still great when the MC doing it is great. The post-lyrical style values the beat more than anything else. You can't spit "New York State of Mind" over "Love Lockdown."

k. orr said...

Are you making the argument that the change in production, is now making it hard for people to keep with the Nas Formula?

brandon said...

k orr-
I think the change in production makes the Nas formula less work-able and lessens its effect. Rapping over the kind of beats popular now just feels off a little bit.

tray said...

Yeah, Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia is one of the best movies ever made. My only complaint is that the girl can't act. Fortunately she gets killed off before she ruins the movie.

Um... nothing to disagree with here, but, like, it would be cool if you could acknowledge that the post-lyrical, Kanye/Wayne style is objectively worse than what came before. Either that, or we've yet to find a truly great post-lyrical rapper to redeem this crap. (Wayne's close, but not quite there and arguably regressing; Kanye is, as a rapper, about as good as Pete Rock. Except Pete had a great voice.) Other than that, I remain unconvinced that the "Nas formula" is exhausted - and where is Cam in this discussion? Certainly Wayne owes a great debt to Dipset.

Jesus Shuttlesworth said...

i'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but would you say that these post-lyrical guys owe anything to Missy? she rarely has anything to say, and is full of non-sense lines, and ties in well with the mention of timbo. not really a fleshed out thought, just an idea.

quan said...

Tray-
In Post-Lyrical pt. 1, Brandon brings up Dipset's "no homo" phenomenon as a precursor/harbinger to the post-lyrical thing so there's your Dipset connection.

As for making a value judgment, I mean, that's kinda ridiculous. As rappers, Kanye and Weezy don't hold up as well technically-speaking to say Biggie or Nas. But on the other hand, as Brandon implies and Zilla points out pretty explicitly in his comment, their music has matured, well, musically to something more than 4 bar loops.

So if you value writing over musicality, then yeah the music's gotten worse, but in music, how the fuck do you value writing over musicality?

Renato Pagnani said...

Tray,

No offense to you with this little rant:

I'm sick and tired of people arguing Kanye or Wayne are "objectively" worse rappers than those who came before them. That is just not true. They cannot be "objectively" worse (or better, for that matter) because one style CANNOT be OBJECTIVELY better or worse than another. There is no objectivity here that we can work with.

What you are doing is just placing more value on certain aspects of rapping than others, and your assigning more worth to these certain criteria than others. Judging by old and outdated systems, yes Kanye and Wayne are worse, but you're just using an anachronistic method of assigning "quality." Kanye and Wayne, just to stick with these two rappers, are doing certain things much better than Nas or Big Daddy Kane or Talib Kweli do. You have to judge them within their own framework. Kanye is a fucking great rapper. Wayne is really good right now too. If they were working within the Nas model, they're worse rappers than Nas... but what they are doing is proving you DON'T HAVE to work within the Nas model to be successful and make quality music.

rrougher said...

Jesus-
I completely make the Missy/Wayne connection as well. Not in any type of fleshed out way either but the first time I heard 'I Feel like Dying' it instantly reminded me of 'The Rain'

Anonymous said...

EPMD anyone? (Contrived Narrative.)

tray said...

Also, how terrible are Chris Robinson's new videos? Now I'm just trying to be a dick, but seriously, that Superwoman video? The Cassie video? It's like, "I'm such a jack of all music video conventions that I can do awful empowering schlock and boring softcore porn." Chris Robinson, you fell the fuck off.

brandon said...

tray-
The thing is, Robinson's always been sort of this technician/hired hand, so his videos have always been hit or miss and trend following (but with lots of cool smarter stuff too), but I'd agree, his recent videos seem particularly meh.

Zilla Rocca said...

Jesus:

Missy is definitely the most overlooked MC when it comes to influence and innovation. Sure, she only raps about how much a guy wants to eat her pussy and/or how much she wants to get her pussy eaten by a (wo)man, but she MASTERED the art of the "Slum Village Model" ((c) 2008 Zilla Rocca) back in '97. Worlds collided on "Hot Boyz"--hearing Nas awkardly flowing straight ahead on that stop/start, skittering beat was the beginning of the end to his own model.

Jesus Shuttlesworth said...

if it were '97, wouldn't be the "missy model" then?

also, where does R. Kelly fit into this? surely, his great performance on "Shorty" from the Best of Both Worlds album has some influence on how these guys are approaching songs. i'm only half kidding here.

Johnny Sagan said...

I think the massive proliferation of slick mixtapes post-DJ Clue also played a role in the onset of Brandon's Post-Lyrical phase, because avid mixtape rappers have had to keep up such a large creative output that there's been less and less time and space to slave over the polished rhymes and songs that had their proper place on the widely distributed major label releases that made the reputations of Nas, Biggie, and the Wu-Tang Clan. And even though mixtape rhymes need a quick turnaround time, they have to be very entertaining, and ideally short-term memorable, so what kind of style is called for? Something big, bold, and witty...but cheap: post-lyrical rap. And I agree that Missy has been a leader of the post-lyrical school. She set the standard in extra-prolificness, too. She is a songwriter first, a rapper second, and always was credited as a co-producer with Timberland, and I recall her describing herself as a "24-hour studio zombie" in the acknowledgments section of the Under Construction CD. I think a lot of her voluntary simplicity as a wordsmith had to do with her being too tired to do a lot of writing or fight with the music. I think if you visualize Missy doing a lot of her writing in the studio, in the midst of an assembly line of varied projects, it becomes clear that she might have even written a lot of her rhymes using the punch-in technique, another harbinger of the post-lyrical revolution in rap. I remember reading that ODB wrote Nigga Please in the studio using playback punch-ins, and just last week I read that Lil' Wayne does the same thing...post-lyrical rap is the documentation of people vibing in the moment for hours and hours.

Wes said...

Wayne big ups Missy in the latest XXL as an MC he looked up to when he was in the Hot Boys.

I co-sign Renato's rant but would argue that Kanye has a tendency to be a rather weak/wack MC (especially as of late --- Everyone Nose remix, Lollipop remix). I consider myself a fan but cringe at many of his lines and the way they're delivered. Doesn't add much to the original conversation at hand, but I do appreciate Renato pointing out Wayne/Kanye doing things better than some MCs before them.

Jesus Shuttlesworth said...

also, there have to be some rappers that are not from the south that contributed to this change in lyricism you speak of. zilla mentioned busta and common, but there must be others from all across the country. one that seems rather obvious to me is pharoahe, who (especially on stress) does not have a straight ahead style to his cadence.

Renato Pagnani said...

Wes,

Haven't heard the "Everyone Nose" remix yet, but I think Kanye is quite great on the "Lollipop" remix. I would argue that Kanye's delivery—while it's one of his most derided characteristics as an emcee—is one of his greatest strengths, and particularly on the "Lollipop" remix, he takes advantage of how he twists pronunciation to his advantage. I'm not saying Kanye never craps out a shit verse, because he's quite bad on "Swagga Like Us." Then again, so is everyone, really, with the possible exception of T.I..

wes said...

renato,
avoid the everyone nose remix if you can. kanye starts his verse with "do you have any black inside you? would you like some?" which wasn't funny in 4th grade. which brings me to my occasional problems with 'ye: dude is straight up corny sometimes. "nacho cheese/fritos/lay". put on remix: "one of russell's nieces" swagga like us: "shit and the urine", etc. and i cant stress enough that i am a pretty big kanye fan, but i'm at times baffled by his idea of clever or what constitutes a hot line. but yes, his delivery can trump the corny, but it's shit like that that keeps kanye from being a truly great MC.

gordon gartrelle said...

Calling it the "Nas formula" is the 1st problem. Certainly Nas (or GZA) doesn't work in this new production environment (but we knew that when he 1st tried to rap in double time around 99). But Outkast, Ghost, and middle Jay-Z are the prime examples of it done well; neo-Common is the example of what NOT to do. Someone like MF Grimm is in between.

The larger problem, though, surfaces when you talk about form. Sure, the sound of the raps change with the music, but why the content? Doesn't follow.

You seem to equate "tightly constructed rhymes" in the Nas style with being "lyrical," which is an error that both the nostalgists and the anti-nostalgists make.


The decline of "lyricism" stems from the fact that it's normal to be a young rap fan now without ever having listened to anything with interesting lyrics. That's just not part of the listening culture anymore beyond silly underground punchline rap fans. This breeds a climate that doesn;t punish lyrical shallowness and, in fact, associates it with authenticity.

By the way, the notion that black Southerners are more musical is sketchy at best. It's one of those rap truisms that just keeps getting repeated without being supported or challenged.

Jay (d)eff Kay said...

It might be kinda of an obvious points but im gonna say it anyway The state of rap, hell music, in general suffers a bit with increased exposure - I mean, rap has come far in terms off mainstream acceptance. Cosign Johnny Sagan's point abt the impact of mixtapes. I think we're being exposed to rap more so than ever before. Add to tht the fact the music industry itself is not doing so great. I think its just all adds up to a very dire state for aspiring rappers hoping to make it big. Coz being marketable and memorable becomes so much important in these conditions. rappers aren't just selling their pitches to pure rap audiences anymore. to distinguish yourself and more importantly crossover, it just makes sense not to engage in the nas formula over old school boom bap. thts where the increased musicality and humour and catchy choruses and dances and the whle post lyrical shebang makes perfect sense. Can I kick it? Now watch me youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

k. orr said...

Coming back to this idea, I think there are a lot of things coming into play in terms of the post-lyrical phase.

Some of these bleed into each other, some stand alone.

1) 1996 Telecom Act

2) Mp3's

3) Filesharing of Mp3's - zshare, soulseek, napster, back to Jamie's Crackhouse

4) Decline of Albums sales

5) Uptick of Mixtapes in popularity and them being as "coherent" bodies of work, not just promotional tools

6) Competition from other forms of entertainment - I.E, when I was 14 I had my radio and a nintendo. The 14 year old today has radio, ipod, facebook/twitter, cell phone....

7) Consolidation of radio stations
8) Consolidation of playlists
9) Exporting local hits through a national network

10) Rapper as a Hollywood/mainstream Celebrity

11) Blogs and Message Boards and the decline of Rap Radio, Rap City, and Rap magazines.

12) Mash Up's generally
13) Album Leaks
14) Broadband
15) Death of R&B and Merger of Rap into Pop music generally.

16) Hip Hop history revisions
17) you tube
18) the sheer # of people who rap

Basically the landscape of popular music has really changed, changing the industry, media outlets, and yes the audience and the artists.

It's harder and harder to get everyone to listen to the same album. And when you do get them together, there's even *less* agreement about what makes the record dope than there was 10,15,20 years ago.

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Johnny Sagan said...

@ K. Orr--I like your list. What about adding two things to it: Punch-Ins and Club Chants?

We really should be calling this Post Literate Hip Hop. What it really is is hip hop reverting back into an oral tradition after a more literary period.

1. Punch-Ins. The playback/punch-in technique of recording rhymes without writing them down first became financially feasible due to cheaper and cheaper digital technology for making records. I think the rise of the ad lib and other techniques of vocal pastiche, like double-tracking rappers' vocals, is both a result of the freedom to layer that comes with cheap digital recording, with its infinite number of tracks, and a response to some of its limitations: if you're building verses up out of punch-ins, in a cheap trial-and-error studio environment, you can easily string takes together on the beat, but the vocal sonics will strike the ear as disjointed if you don't find a way to standardize them, and double-tracking and ad-libs can really augment the limited effectiveness of a layman's EQing.

Why, do I think, would a rapper want to compose on the fly using studio punch-ins rather than writing a rap? In a phrase, creative autonomy in the eternal competition between rappers and producers.

I think it's important to realize that the RZA made the early Wu Tang albums the same way he made 8 Diagrams: by recording rappers separately from the beats and laying the right rhymes over the right beats at his own leisure. I think those Wu Tang albums were part of the beginning of the end of our "Nas Formula": like Nas, the Wu Tang rappers were the kind of artists who keep a big book of rhymes, "all the words past the margin", but because they had little control over the use RZA would make of their parts, they could not do their own full-service songwriting in those notebooks the way an Ice T, an Ice Cube, a Big Daddy Kane, a Chubb Rock or a Nas had been able to do, probably literally writing out VERSE-CHORUS-VERSE on the paper.


2. Club Chants. I guess this is a subsection of Post Lyrical Factor #9 in K. Orr's list, "Exporting local hits through a national network", but it's an important explanation for hip hop's post-literate turn. I will never forget the first time I made friends with a hip hop fan from the South because that's when I learned about Club Chants. I'm from Chicago, he's from Memphis, and we were in London in 1998! He was already blowing my mind with his genuine listening appreciation of Kingpin Skinny Pimp's "The King Of The Playaz Ball" and Snoop Dogg's "Da Game Is To Be Sold, Not Told" on No Limit when he told me that people made up chants to go with the music in clubs in the South, and learning new chants and participating in old ones was a big part of the fun of vibing to a Skinny Pimp record I might have found awful in the privacy of my headphones. If large groups of people were participating in a hip hop oral tradition like this, and having so much fun doing it, and coming up with such interesting phraseology, you can see why it is not an insult to call the records that in many cases get their hooks, such an important part of catchiness, directly from these chants, "post-literate rap".

Guy Fawkes said...

I find it funny how heads will always bring Kanye into the mix, no matter what the conversation is.

Why?
Because Kanye was our last hope to hold on to "post-lyricistic" yet still "Golden-Age" hip-hop, and now he's crossed over to the dark-side.

Nah, leave Ye out of it, he was never the genius he himself though he was.